tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post9038769693677542058..comments2024-03-05T19:29:18.578-07:00Comments on ARE THEY ALL YOURS?!??: Sarah, the Healthy Home AbortionistZsuzsannahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03062136377263894876noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-49390606741157849742016-06-03T16:28:22.446-07:002016-06-03T16:28:22.446-07:00Amen to the anonymous poster who stated the truth ...Amen to the anonymous poster who stated the truth about Onan. Onan disobeyed a direct command from God. He was struck down for THIS, not for practicing "birth control." There are a lot of posts on this blog that are dead on, but others state things that are absolutely not truth. And guess what? I had three babies and am done. Would I have more if I could? Probably. However, the choice is not just up to me. I won't explain further. If that is a sin in this blogger's eyes, or she thinks I don't really love my kids, sobeit. She won't be the one judging me some day. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-30054013073640473242016-05-16T15:15:20.256-07:002016-05-16T15:15:20.256-07:00I <3 this post (I actually <3 everything I&#...I <3 this post (I actually <3 everything I've seen on your blog so far!) and I just wanted to expand a bit on your description of the process of conception. I am a Catholic who practices ecological breastfeeding to space our children, and occasionally have used Natural Family Planning when we've needed to further space our children (we have a special needs child and while we're very open to life there have been times when medical demands make it unwise to conceive another child at that moment). <br /><br />A woman can release her egg(s) pretty much at any point in her cycle, from the time she's having her period (which is why you shouldn't have sex while bleeding if you need to avoid pregnancy as it masks the symptoms), until 30, 40 or beyond. The 14-day rule is actually a fallacy that has resulted in many babies. I have a regular 28-30 day cycle and I have NEVER ovulated on day 14. I know you said "around 2 weeks" but many people will interpret that as 14 days. <br /><br />Once she ovulates, however, the period of time between ovulation and menstruation (the luteal phase) is fairly fixed for an individual woman, and should be no less then 11-12 days for a successful pregnancy. Mine are typically 12 days. Luteal phases over 16 days almost always mean a pregnancy has occurred. <br /><br />In reality, a man's sperm, under ideal conditions, can live up to 7 days inside a woman's body. The best kind of cervical fluid for this is similar to egg whites in texture, but a variety of fluids can provide a medium for sperm survival to varying degrees. A woman can observe these changes in fluid as her cycle progress to determine the best time to avoid or have intercourse, depending if she's trying to conceive or avoid pregnancy. <br /><br />A women can release more than 1 egg per cycle, but if multiple eggs are released it will always be within a 24 hour window from the first release. A egg can live for 24 hours, and then if it's not fertilized it will die. So from the moment of ovulation, there's a potential window of 24 hours (egg) + 24 hours (window for multiple ovulations) + 24 hours (survival window) = up to 72 hours hours where an egg is present and conception can occur. Add that to the 7 days a man's sperm can live, and you get a window of approximately 10 days a cycle that a women can have sex and get pregnant. <br /><br />Of course, a woman can space her children typically 18-30 months using the rules of ecological breastfeeding, as developed by Sheila Kippley, a Catholic breastfeeding educator. You can read about the rules at http://www.nfpandmore.org/The%20Seven%20Standards%20Summary.pdfAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-78524251033489019202016-05-16T14:53:12.060-07:002016-05-16T14:53:12.060-07:00I don't think that's what that particular ...I don't think that's what that particular passage means. Traditionally, that passage is considered the moment when Adam received his immortal soul. Many translations in fact states that Adam became "a living soul", and not merely a living being. Trees are living things, but we know God didn't breathe on them. <br /><br />We also know that something can be alive without having drawn it's first breath - in fact, scripture is clear that we exist as individuals knowable by God prior to birth. <br /><br />Science is pretty clear that a human life begins when a ovum (egg) and spermatozoon (sperm) meet. A unique human being is encoded in DNA, and immediately it begins to grow. It was just in the news a couple of weeks ago that there's even a flash of light when this happens! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-2145108344108762362015-09-17T07:12:39.337-07:002015-09-17T07:12:39.337-07:00Actually the Bible says that life doesn't star...Actually the Bible says that life doesn't start until your first breath. (Gen 2:7)Serenityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15349398445261309457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-73061723831049374532015-05-09T18:47:27.940-07:002015-05-09T18:47:27.940-07:00^What she said!^What she said!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-83135082880610956292014-12-13T19:29:24.696-07:002014-12-13T19:29:24.696-07:00Oh my, Anonymous. I feel totally speechless femini...Oh my, Anonymous. I feel totally speechless feminism abortion tale. I mean, I realize women have been shoving hangers and bleach up their gardens forever. I realize that 1 in 3-4 babies lives will be ended at the hands of their own mothers, but to read someone callously describe their murderous rampage as simply as preparing her lovely, summer salad topped with parsley. Your behavior is expected from a world that brazenly sacrifices their own children to Moloch, but it still stops me in my tracks to read. Boast about it if you will, but you may not tout your commitment to singledom when you're obviously committing to playing a harlot. That is not 'single', that is uncommitted feminism whoredom- the destruction of our society.<br /><br />I would that you would repent and see the error of your ways! Those poor little lives!!Mom4Truthhttp://www.mom4truth.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-43263864984393786642014-04-23T10:14:11.092-07:002014-04-23T10:14:11.092-07:00I'd say that conception is the point where a n...I'd say that conception is the point where a new human entity has been created. That human entity is a new life, a new human and a new soul by any viewpoint I can look at it from. I appreciate the need to define our terms given how hard people fight to confuse them. :(Sheril Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-33408782379932372752014-01-28T23:51:38.961-07:002014-01-28T23:51:38.961-07:00Fantastic job demonstrating that "natural&quo...Fantastic job demonstrating that "natural" has different meanings: because a substance grows naturally doesn't mean its action isn't toxic to you or your unborn.<br /><br />But I do need to point out one fairly serious misstatement in your post. Namely, being unable to conceive children does NOT indicate that there are problems with your "health", and telling women so can worry them for no reason. To take the simplest example (I'm a GP, not an OB-GYN, but my facts are clear on this one), there are women born without parts of their reproductive anatomy, like ovaries, blockages, and other congenital issue that have zero overall systemic effects on their "health". They are just unfortunate, much like someone born without several fingers will never be a professional violinist, but about whom we would not infer poor overall health.<br /><br />Where I would agree with you is that any woman who, at a reasonably young age (before late 30s) cannot conceive naturally, needs to have a full medical work-up for herself AND her partner, to ensure that it is not a correctable health problem, or a grave one hopefully caught early.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-9880513361068193222013-06-27T21:48:57.070-07:002013-06-27T21:48:57.070-07:00---thanks for clearing up the IVF thing for me---thanks for clearing up the IVF thing for meLorennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-74283958278181745952013-06-27T21:47:29.770-07:002013-06-27T21:47:29.770-07:00Thank you Anonymous....you said what I wanted to b...Thank you Anonymous....you said what I wanted to but in a way that was much much more kind than I was able to come up with. Lorennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-49920596383964891142013-06-26T11:37:38.654-07:002013-06-26T11:37:38.654-07:00This woman is advising other ignorant and possibly...This woman is advising other ignorant and possibly desperate women to take herbs like Queen Anne's Lace and blue and black cohosh and pennyroyal.<br />These herbs can be very dangerous. Queen Anne's lace flowers are toxic and the root/seeds should never be taken unless an expert had identified it as queen anne's lace because it looks similar to Water Hemlock which is deadly poison. Pennyroyal ingested can cause violent vomiting. If the women of some indigenous tribe was known to eat toadstools to cause sterility or abortions would she have recommended that too. "The women of such and such Indian tribe used to eat toadstools everyday to prevent pregnancy or to abort their babies. I know they are a bit poisonous and can make you violently ill but hey, it's all natural and so worth it ladies to keep from having babies." <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-12503295895521389032013-06-25T22:17:59.840-07:002013-06-25T22:17:59.840-07:00I too tried to end a pregnancy with a combo of blu...I too tried to end a pregnancy with a combo of blue and black cohosh and pennyroyal and could not. The herbs did nothing but make me violently ill.<br />Herbs are not safe. <br />BTW I feel a great deal of shame for trying to end that pregnancy for in the end I gave birth to a little boy that I do love with all my heart. Never again will I ever even think about ending a pregnancy. It was a terrible sin and I begged the Lord for his forgiveness for my wretchedness and thank Him daily that the herbs were useless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-24955318751428584242013-06-25T15:36:04.088-07:002013-06-25T15:36:04.088-07:00To the person asking about IVF, because the unused...To the person asking about IVF, because the unused fertilized eggs are generally thrown away when the couple no longer needs them, many people consider it (if not abortion) morally and ethically unacceptable.<br /><br />To Karen R.: I find it deeply bothersome that not only do you tell a woman that she if only she trusted God, she would not need to use sterilization. (This smacks of the abusive, "If you loved me, you'd do what I want" line). My husband and I opted for sterilization because my life was endangered by another pregnancy. I have conceived nine children, but I only have three living children. I very nearly died with each pregnancy, and six of my precious babies DID die. To continue to recklessly get pregnant knowing that my children were more likely to die than to live and that there was a good chance I, too, would die and leave my husband without a wife and my children without their mother is a reprehensible idea. Yes, God had the power to close my womb. He also gave the doctors the wisdom and skill to provide my husband with the vasectomy that ultimately kept me alive. I have faith that God gave that doctor the wisdom to perform the procedure correctly and that I will no longer get pregnant. (Then again, given that you believe we hold all the power over the ultimate outcome of our pregnancies, I suppose you also blame me for my pregnancy losses. To that I do not even dare speak what I think.)<br /><br />I appreciate strong opinions, even when they do not agree with mine. I do not appreciate the idea that couples who make different choices than you are automatically wrong and out of God's will. Onan was not struck dead for merely spilling his seed but rather for his open defiance to God's command.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-82934352954796402712013-06-25T14:23:03.298-07:002013-06-25T14:23:03.298-07:00I remember seeing this a while back, but if you ar...I remember seeing this a while back, but if you are familiar with Sally Fallon Morell and the Weston A. Price Foundation, I am surprised you were shocked by this. Sally and the WAPF have long been proponents of birth control and Sally has very strongly implied in several of her publications that she believes it immoral to get pregnant more than once every three years. So, this attitude from Sarah is right along the Nourishing Traditions party line.<br /><br />Also, Sarah never takes correction: she felt justified in calling that daughter of a holocaust survivor a Nazi on her Facebook not long ago. She is all about drama and fear-mongering propaganda, and while I believe in many of the food-based principals she espouses, I am often turned off by her use of fear as a motivator for life changes and the constant, subtle declaration that her readers cannot make educated decisions so they must be frightened into them. Slow down and really look at her writing and word choice and you will see the manipulative propaganda.<br /><br />That said, I still really like her cooking videos. However, I prefer http://gnowfglins.com/.Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03224628584918679098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-39504514080796743012013-06-25T14:07:54.905-07:002013-06-25T14:07:54.905-07:00I'm not Zsuzsanna, nor a member of their churc...I'm not Zsuzsanna, nor a member of their church, but I believe IVF is considered abortion because A. often more than one egg is fertilized and implanted knowing that it will not implant/develop and B. Often 5-10 eggs are fertilized and cultivated but only a few are actually implanted, the others are destroyed.<br /><br />So, if the belief is that life begins at fertilization, then the fertilized eggs that are not chosen for implantation are considered abortions.Brendahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03224628584918679098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-51835779318451930942013-06-25T10:27:28.400-07:002013-06-25T10:27:28.400-07:00Loren, I am not sure if you are aware that the &qu...Loren, I am not sure if you are aware that the "pill" is considered to be abortitive in nature as it does NOT always prevent an egg from being released. It does work to create an hostile environment so that if conception does happen the chances of implantation are grim, so it would then cause a "spontaneous abortion". There is no way of knowing for sure which method was successful each month; it could have prevented an egg from being released OR it could have prevented implantation of life (then causing that life to be aborted). Although there are cases when the embryo manages to survive such hostile environments against all odds anyway. Too many women are remain in the dark so to speak as to how many methods of birth controll work as we are too often blindly believing what we are told (or not told) without doing our own research (while also seeking The Lord for His wisdom & guidance through the process). Ephesians0611https://www.blogger.com/profile/05266287799802012454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-14852262794527169192013-06-24T13:24:34.321-07:002013-06-24T13:24:34.321-07:00Wow. Well, I´m a very healthy, God-loving woman, w...Wow. Well, I´m a very healthy, God-loving woman, who exercises regularly, has dream cycles - but doesn´t get pregnant. I guess, it´s the devil in me, huh? You have many children, but that doesn´t make you a better person. You are full of hate and telling others that they cannot get pregnant because they do something wrong is just mean. What if it´s His plan that we cannot get pregnant? He has a plan for everybody, so maybe for me as well? <br />Getting pregnant is no big deal, even cats can do this. Living a wonderful, fulfilling and God-honoring life - in spite of not having the biggest dream fulfilled - that´s the real deal. <br />AuroraAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-16773704697447689402013-06-23T06:11:23.866-07:002013-06-23T06:11:23.866-07:00Very good information. I put a post on Face Book ...Very good information. I put a post on Face Book with similar info. about birth control and how they not only are supposed to block actual conception, but also prevent implantation. Hardly any of our "friends" responded or "liked" and most claim to be Christians. Sad that so many Christians do not see an issue with potentially killing their own children. :-( Thanks for sharing this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-10045656168499817572013-06-23T03:01:39.043-07:002013-06-23T03:01:39.043-07:00You are welcome to throw bricks at me if you pleas...You are welcome to throw bricks at me if you please, but I will share my experience. Once the sperm and the egg meet... there is no herbal remedy in the world that will end the pregnancy. I tried black cohosh, I tried pennyroyal, I tried angelica roots, I tried immense and unbelievable amounts of vitamin c, I tried all those urban legend kind of things that people recommend online. The best part - do I even dare say? - is to place parsley bunches near your cervix. You name it, I tried it. Because I did not want to be pregnant and I wanted it to end. I am so ridiculously fertile that it brings a rabbit to shame. But I don't want to have children. I love other people's children, though. But I don't want any. I cannot handle them. You can hate me all you want Zsuzsanna but I don't want to have children and I'm not going to have any. I'm just posting this comment so that people will see a testimony against medieval or caveman like abortion methods. They will not work, do not risk your health, and do not waste a PENNY on these natural remedies. They will not do the work. And also... I would trade reproduction organs with any infertile women any moment. This is a really twisted joke of nature, to provide women that dedicate their lives to singlehood with unstoppable eggs, and making women longing for babies infertile. I am failing to see the justice and logic in that. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-51713614654747916382013-06-23T00:58:07.668-07:002013-06-23T00:58:07.668-07:00question Zsuzsanna...I was perusing your husbands ...question Zsuzsanna...I was perusing your husbands (and your) church website and on the Doctrinal Statement page it had this: We believe that life begins at conception (fertilization) and reject all forms of abortion including surgical abortion, "morning-after" pills, IVF (In Vitro Fertilization), birth control pills, and all other processes that end life after conception.<br />------<br />which ok...I get the abortion/birth control thing. But IVF? It's not abortion. Could you explain? Lorennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-22602896074198406932013-06-22T15:30:29.131-07:002013-06-22T15:30:29.131-07:00There are hundreds of homeless children in Tempe a...There are hundreds of homeless children in Tempe alone. What do you and your husband do for them? It sounds like once a child comes out of the womb, the worry for them ends.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-18272625765131944792013-06-21T10:38:07.423-07:002013-06-21T10:38:07.423-07:00Infertile men and women may be "unhealthy&quo...Infertile men and women may be "unhealthy" because one part of their body doesn't work. In the same way, your son Isaac is unhealthy because of his allergies. And you are "unhealthy" because of your extreme morning sickness. <br /><br />In effect, nearly everyone is unhealthy under your definition.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-80712581328740332352013-06-21T09:43:38.839-07:002013-06-21T09:43:38.839-07:00I understand what you are saying but have you read...I understand what you are saying but have you read the story of Onan in Genesis? The only person we see practicing a form of 'natural conception prevention'? How did GOD feel about it? Pretty strongly I guess if He killed him on the spot. <br />I know many women who were told they should hot have any children and in fact the following pregnancy or more is what helped their medical condition...and that includes myself. We have a lot of power over our health in general and pregnancies in particular with our diet and lifestyle but surely closing a womb is something easy God can do if it's His will as we see time and time again in the Bible. Again I don't know your situation but I do know and have lived that Faith, Trust and Obedience goes a long way with God more so than medical expertise. We need to admit that there are health risks to anything that opposes God's design and that includes a tubal as well. Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00276396876957687479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-65260844592485873212013-06-21T06:16:13.154-07:002013-06-21T06:16:13.154-07:00Loren - I agree that neither sperm nor egg makes a...Loren - I agree that neither sperm nor egg makes a baby by itself, obviously. I am more interested in defining the words that we use to have these conversations, because I don't think "life" works very well, given that all of the components are already alive.<br /><br />I also don't think that the baby gets its soul at the first breath, although in many languages the word "soul" and "breath" are very closely related, precisely for that reason (Russian, for example, "dusha" is soul, "dyshat'" is to breathe). I honestly don't know for myself when, in the timeline, the child becomes a child and not just a cluster of cells. I don't think that science can explain it, because all of the components are alive beforehand, and so "life" doesn't cover it, and science doesn't generally deal with "souls." I don't think religion can cover it, because there have been so many contradicting views over time about when a child gets its soul.<br /><br />I'm not trying to argue, just interested in how to define what happens at conception. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-75202638204453433992013-06-20T12:44:33.388-07:002013-06-20T12:44:33.388-07:00A sperm is "alive" and an egg is "a...A sperm is "alive" and an egg is "alive" but neither by themselves make a baby. Just as hydrogen and oxygen dont make water unless mixed in the proper combination. And if the baby got its soul at first breath (versus in utero/at conception) then all the quirky stuff babies do while in utero (sucking its thumb, kicking, crying, etc) is just....what? Lorennoreply@blogger.com