tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post2623522581354727812..comments2024-03-05T19:29:18.578-07:00Comments on ARE THEY ALL YOURS?!??: Stevia is safe - OR ELSE!Zsuzsannahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03062136377263894876noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-24874518778087744412016-09-07T11:40:34.769-07:002016-09-07T11:40:34.769-07:00I had 3 miscarriages after starting a different di...I had 3 miscarriages after starting a different diet (not THM) that advocated stevia. This was after a healthy first pregnancy and live birth. After the miscarriages, and while still using stevia, I did go on to deliver a healthy baby, but my health has suffered dramatically since. This was 4.5 years ago. I'm not able to prove that the miscarriages and suffering health were "caused by" stevia, but couldn't it be the slightest bit possible that stevia may have somehow been involved in my situation even if there have not been any studies to point to for the specific details? It's ok if someone can use stevia without side effects and it's also ok if someone, even for the slightest bit of possibility, decides to not use it. LoriAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-26540243476462795522016-04-26T17:40:34.512-07:002016-04-26T17:40:34.512-07:00And by way of update... I posted a recipe to the A...And by way of update... I posted a recipe to the Allergen-Friendly THM FB group (since we're off gluten, soy, egg, dairy, and poultry - what do we eat, right?!?), and I *nearly* got the post deleted because the recipe included a small amount of tapioca starch. Which is not "On Plan." And when I was asked what I subbed the starch with, I said I (horror of horrors) didn't! And that baking without egg, gluten, soy and dairy is hard enough - why make it harder? I got a little talking to from the moderator. It's almost cultish...Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15292597646595740720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-3525282417323669822016-03-30T13:43:35.123-07:002016-03-30T13:43:35.123-07:00I just stumbled across this post (and the others) ...I just stumbled across this post (and the others) after googling for THM recipes without Stevia. I'm new to the "program" though it's very similar to how I was eating. Minus the endless consumption of tortilla chips (organic! She says defensively). I had no idea Stevia was in the ragweed family. I'm allergic too, so I can only imagine what it would do to my insides. It certainly tastes horrible (IMHO) and is not something I'd ever use, required or otherwise. <br /><br />There were a number of things that irked me about the book. Little inconsistencies like refusal to consume pork but recommending natural Armour thyroid (which is derived from ... wait for it ... pigs!), stereotypes of men that do NOT ring true to my husband/family at all, etc. I think they overstepped their expertise. A lot. And the Stevia discussion is just one example.<br /><br />That said, I like the concept and I think it makes more sense than straight paleo or atkins or the like. It's unfortunate you weren't allowed to express your thoughts and experience on the FB group. Really, do they get backing from Stevia? Do they own stock? Deleting of comments is just ... weird. Rebeccahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15292597646595740720noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-28238800433238071902015-09-21T13:09:54.992-07:002015-09-21T13:09:54.992-07:00Also, I like that you were complaining that the fa...Also, I like that you were complaining that the facebook groups deleted any negative comments and you have it so you have to approve the posts that are most suited for you. Hypocritical. I hope your blog gets shut down for the shear ignorance and exemplary representation of Christianity presented here. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-79773174179831423232015-09-21T13:05:20.760-07:002015-09-21T13:05:20.760-07:00Agreed. I think that you (Zsuzanna) are stuck on t...Agreed. I think that you (Zsuzanna) are stuck on the idea the stevia is linked to miscarriage and you yourself are not exploring the thousands of other things that can cause miscarriage.<br /><br /> You are stating that these women should repent-They did not confirm nor deny the link to Stevia and miscarriage. You are being judgmental and it is not your place to do so. I'm disappointed that you are one sided and judging these ladies for doing their due diligence. I like how you picked the one item in there book and tore them to pieces for it. You can say you wish they were more detailed, but you should never tell them to repent for this so called 'lying'. Perhaps that's all of the information that they had at the time. They are not the admins for the THM facebook groups. Your the one getting blocked and are taking it out on Serene and Pearl. This is the most terribly written post I have read and you don't have any back up. <br /><br /> Matthew 7:<br />…2"For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4"Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' and behold, the log is in your own eye?…Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-41574662177124681362015-08-16T21:31:04.531-07:002015-08-16T21:31:04.531-07:00I stumbled upon your blog when I searched for THM ...I stumbled upon your blog when I searched for THM reviews because I have been on the plan for a month now & wanted to read some critical reviews to get some perspective. I tried Stevia for a few days, but because I have low blood pressure already, I suffered from headaches after using it. Even small amounts made me feel dizzy. I'm using erythritol in place of stevia & sugar, but just the name of it makes me cringe! While I, like you, have seen results with the plan, & the concept of letting your body burn one primary fuel (instead of tandem fueling) is spot on, I really question some of the sisters' advice in the book. I, like you, believe they push products like Stevia because their ulterior motive is money: coconut sugar, honey, & dates may be good for your children but not so for you mama! Here, we will gladly supply your sweet tooth with THM brand stevia, THM brand "fake" peanut butter, THM brand blah, blah, blah. It's kind of irritating. Anyway, all this to say, I appreciate your critical review. Thank you for being honest, & willing to take a beating for truth.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10747474050883685686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-269055094682058312015-07-29T18:54:46.668-07:002015-07-29T18:54:46.668-07:00Thank you for this. I actually left all the groups...Thank you for this. I actually left all the groups because I noticed this as well. I have issues with the idea that in order to be a part of the group and follow the plan it is required to use certain ingredients like stevia. Honestly, for a fad-less diet, there are a lot of fads being used. I did lose weight on the plan though and do think the basic concept is right on target. I am trying to get my family back on track after a year and a half of eating SAD. But I have to figure out how to alter it so that it works for my budget, my family, and my health. Thank you for being honest and for posting this. Thank you for not backing down, despite the bullying that is going on. And thank you for not bashing THM in the process. adaynasmilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11411366737823927943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-20361999181960874112014-08-21T23:15:32.341-07:002014-08-21T23:15:32.341-07:00Miscarriages are not that common for everyone. In ...Miscarriages are not that common for everyone. In my whole family, back two generations, there were only two. Two out of 41 live births. So four miscarriages is a big deal to me. I'm sorry, zsuzsanna, for the pain you suffered. Thank you for this post. And I agree, the burden of proof should be on proving its safety, not the other way around.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-12161639491394120692014-08-16T17:36:52.857-07:002014-08-16T17:36:52.857-07:00I rather error by on the safe side of this argumen...I rather error by on the safe side of this argument. I have always been worried about the Stevia, though is did not know it came from the ragweed family. I began THM a week or so ago and have been having issues with my allergies and asthma since beginning. I am allergic to Rag Weed. I will continue the plan but staying away from the sweets they offer by way of using stevia. My weight loss my be slower but I am in this for a healthy way of eating over all. Thank you for your blog here. My husband came across it while researching Stevia because he was concerned about any effects it may have on me. Thank you again. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-46497362006658086132014-07-12T04:14:54.809-07:002014-07-12T04:14:54.809-07:00I know basically nothing about Stevia, and am neit...I know basically nothing about Stevia, and am neither fan nor foe of THM (just trying to find out about it which is how I stumbled across this blog), but I don't feel the author does say that "stevia is evil". She mentions that her MCs and stevia use is anecdotal in her first post, but I felt that she is more concerned with attitudes of the THM authors towards controversy (even if unfounded), and I must say that those attitudes of refusing to allow healthy debate are frightening. It gives a huge blow to thier credibility, which I must say was already concerning me by the lack of citation or even bibliography in their book. They mentions studies and books from various authors occasionally to back up their claims regarding how our bodies store fat/lose fat, with never a shred of evidence. I'm not saying its not there, and it might have added a sixth year to writing the book, but it would give it a lot more credibility in my eyes.Rosenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-32141189550304453372014-06-10T05:16:03.632-07:002014-06-10T05:16:03.632-07:00I just stumbled across your blog and posts on stev...I just stumbled across your blog and posts on stevia/THM. I am a fellow mama of many (8 children) and along the way, pre-THM, had 2 miscarriages. My dh and I have decided our family is complete, but have been using Natural Family Planning (charting) to avoid pregnancy. My returning fertility always follows a pretty similar pattern after a baby. Around a year, my cycles resume and I have about 3 cycles with very short luteal phases and then am pregnant again. However, this time, I am on my 8th cycle with luteal phases way too short to be compatible with pregnancy. I attributed it to getting older, though I thought it was odd, since I am not THAT old, yet. Although I am a big fan of stevia and of THM (I feel great and so does dh -- THM has been fantastic for our whole family), your articles do cause me to wonder if there might be another explanation that I have been unwilling to explore until now. Thank-you for this, mama.ChristineGhttp://thereallifehome.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-65309139480886858042014-05-05T15:33:49.792-07:002014-05-05T15:33:49.792-07:00Thank you! My heart and my knowledge of nutrition...Thank you! My heart and my knowledge of nutrition SCREAMED at me about the 'broken' and processed foods seemingly required by the THM program. Everything I know and believe was against so many aspects of this program; I let my fear of being very overweight and my own desperation outweigh my internal warnings. Like YOU I believe that the basic concepts of the program are good and effective (even if they are NOT new concepts). I also believe that broken foods and MSG (and it's hidden cousins) are harmful.<br /><br />I am glad to find your blog and another voice crying out for a whole-food, wholesome, balanced, and achievable alternative to the THM plan as written in the book.<br /><br />Again, Thank You.<br /><br />AmyDeAmyDehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04612375838777458007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-47436135640945331862014-04-30T10:31:27.838-07:002014-04-30T10:31:27.838-07:00"I was banned because I dared share my experi..."I was banned because I dared share my experiences with stevia on my own, personal blog, which is not connected to THM in any way, shape, or form."<br /><br />I imagine the REAL reason you were banned was because you posted such slanderous statements without any foundation to stand on. I'm sure you received a private message from them as I have when a post had to be deleted. I don't think there is anything wrong with deleting something that is causing too much controversy on your own page. You have your opinion, but I'm sure that the reason you were banned were because of your unfounded accusations of the moderators. How can someone say they like the program and use it themselves but then go and make slanderous statements about the moderators and administrators. Give your opinion of the program, but to pull the moderators into this is just gossip and slander. In my opinion, you do not have that "meek and quiet spirit" that the KJV 1611 says you should have. Maybe your husband needs to pay a little more attention to what his wife is writing on her blog. This is wrong, and it's not Christian like. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-17377509955753354502014-03-07T11:33:19.636-07:002014-03-07T11:33:19.636-07:00Hello Ms Susanna,
Good day. I want to come to Ar...Hello Ms Susanna, <br /><br />Good day. I want to come to Arizona for vacation in June and I have been looking for fairly good hotels but I all of the ones I have seen have bad reviews. I am looking for one close to your church. Please help.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-65566669550575924032014-03-06T19:36:23.356-07:002014-03-06T19:36:23.356-07:00i re read the sweetners page, that is mentioned in...i re read the sweetners page, that is mentioned in this review. according to the study, that is so widely quoted for causing infertility, a person would have to consume 7lbs of stevia A DAY, to see the infertility issues that were seen in the mice. do your own research, ladies (and gents). you will find conflicting information about EVERYTHING...butter is good..no butter is bad. almonds are good...almonds are bad, etc. bottom line: research, if you are uncomfortable with your findings then, by all means, do not use a product you aren't sure about. but DON'T accuse others of being money hungry baby killers. ( http://natural-fertility-info.com/does-stevia-cause-infertility.html )Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-29963510579693195602014-03-06T19:20:51.235-07:002014-03-06T19:20:51.235-07:00hi! my point was that the screen shots that were s...hi! my point was that the screen shots that were shared here were, most likely, not representative of the entire thread. most of the time, from my observation, a thread has to<br />1) knowingly break one of the rules of the page-- one of them being discussing the safety of stevia or 2) the women commenting begin to argue/criticize, in some manner, with one another. <br />i rarely see posts that have to be deleted. most of the interaction is very positive and encouraging-- it is a rare thing to find such an atmosphere, especially with such a large number of women from such a wide range of beliefs/lifestyles. <br />i DO know, from first hand experience, that when someone posts something and it has to be removed the moderators are very kind and gracious about it. i had posted an article last week, that i hoped would be encouraging, and one of the mods said that since it wasn't specific to implementing THM, she felt it was necessary to remove it. that was that. no drama. end of story. :-) <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-63632647507502187842014-03-06T08:42:56.742-07:002014-03-06T08:42:56.742-07:00Some cultures use stiva as birth control! Your are...Some cultures use stiva as birth control! Your are stupid to say that there is no proof! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-19171730500614789452014-03-04T23:05:41.520-07:002014-03-04T23:05:41.520-07:00"Money is the root of all evil" - yes!! ..."Money is the root of all evil" - yes!! Before I got to the part where you stated the authors are working on their own Stevia products, I figured that was the issue that was driving this. They want everyone who reads the book to be on board the Stevia train, so that they can sell their own variety! It's sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-30903701072482205542014-03-03T15:54:18.904-07:002014-03-03T15:54:18.904-07:00This may not qualify as "kindly worded" ...This may not qualify as "kindly worded" enough, but I don't care to search my vocabulary for a nicer way of calling people idiots...maybe sarcasm using an antonym??? Yes, that's what I'll do, so...To all you GENIUSES out there who claim to want some kind of scientific proof that a substance may be harmful before abstaining from consumption of it, I can only laugh. I take anecdotes over "studies" any day. It would be laughable if not so shocking that you think the burden of proof falls on the side of proving danger rather than proving safety. You will seriously consume anything marketed to you unless proven dangerous? Yep, you will. People always do until it finally is officially linked to something bad, but then it's too late. Happens time and time again. And idiotic comments make me just wish Zsuzanna would let you all guzzle your aspartame, bc pills, stevia, and whatever the next toxin will be to make it's debut on store shelves or prescriptions. She should just leave you in the dark and let you get what your stupidity earns you. But, no she doesn't do that. Why not, since she's such a hateful person? Because she probably knows that as some choose to be dumb, others are simply unknowingly ignorant and will appreciate information about something they may be consuming. What kind of rational person would not appreciate such information? What kind of rational person would take it personally and get hostile? I know that if I were thinking about consuming an herb, food, etc. regardless of how "natural" or harmless it's claimed to be, I'd GREATLY APPRECIATE someone caring enough to spend their precious and valuable time and energy to inform me about possible effects. The truth isthat rational people don't have a problem with this. Many commenters we're seeing here are obviously not rational people. And they're not fooling anyone. Their arguments are LUDICROUS. And I know many are being informed and appreciating it, despite the insanity being spewed. BensonJennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-13484806988889803362014-03-03T13:20:39.222-07:002014-03-03T13:20:39.222-07:00Whenever I use Truvia I get terrible headaches. I...Whenever I use Truvia I get terrible headaches. I'm not one to get headaches (once a year maybe) and know it was caused by this sweetener. They would come as I ate Truvia sweetened things but when I stopped they would go away. I think it may have been how Truvia is processed rather than the fact that it contains stevia. Using simply pure stevia extract may not have the same side effects.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-6976967790664118092014-03-03T12:09:18.477-07:002014-03-03T12:09:18.477-07:00To those that just think they "know" the...To those that just think they "know" the THM people or blog or FB or whatever so much that you are willing to accuse Zsuzsanna of being a liar, I've got news. And yes, you are saying she's a liar when you claim that the THM people would not ban people, etc. unless there's more to the story. I've seen at least twice here people implying there must be more to the story and there must have been "nastiness" to get deleted or blocked. I guarantee that many of us here really do know Zsuzsanna in a more personal way than you will ever know the THM moderators (unless you are one). She would not take time out of her busy, productive life to tackle the important task of making up lies and wild stories to spread unnecessary fear around. Helping people be informed so they don't unintentionally kill their child...that's something she'd UNSELFISHLY take the time to do. Sorry it's so hard for you to accept her account of what happened, but my news is that it's really not news. Apparently, the THM people have a habit of squashing negative info about Stevia. After she posted this, I went to Amazon to see if there were any bad reviews about the book that were relevant. I looked at 1 star reviews, and there were 2 or 3 that were relevant to the topic, and one specifically mentioned how they got deleted for mentioning a friendly caution about a truvia lawsuit that people may want to check into. No mention about miscarriage or any specifics, just a general "heads up" FYI type of comment for people to look into it if they chose...deleted. So quit the "they're so wonderful, and you must have been nasty to get deleted" garbage. THAT IS THE LIE.BensonJennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-61092745535350852292014-03-03T10:03:54.537-07:002014-03-03T10:03:54.537-07:00Quote " But for those measures to be taken, t...Quote " But for those measures to be taken, there is more that has taken place, than what has been portrayed here."<br /><br />Can you tell me what more has taken place? I'm very interested in knowing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-20953762820518413742014-03-03T08:46:51.048-07:002014-03-03T08:46:51.048-07:00I honestly know nothing about this diet. Deleting ...I honestly know nothing about this diet. Deleting comments is bothersome to me. Everyone deserves to be heard and has different experience to share that someone may benefit from. <br /><br />I encourage all mothers to stay far away from Weight Watchers. Calorie restriction in nursing is really bad for the baby. Fat is very important for a developing brain. I am 34 and pregnant with number 4. I have lost all the baby weight each time while eating a Nourishing Traditions diet. And the best part is, I am so well nourished now that this is the first pregnancy that I haven't had all day morning sickness for the first trimester! I credit a truly nutrient dense diet (with lots of ferments too, Zsuzsanna). I think restriction is a bad model for raising our kids. If they see a mom who has a love/ hate relationship with food, this will affect how they view food as adults. There is no magic trick, just eating real food. The GAPS Diet was also hugely helpful for us for 6 months to reset our gut flora. I think a lot of people struggle with weight because gut flora dictates cravings and until you get it into balance, it will sabotage you. Anyway, I just wanted to pass on what has worked for us in hopes that it provides a viable alternative for those interested. And thank The Lord for showing me this path to true health!Meganhttp://familynaturally.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-79759909437024784262014-03-02T12:58:22.513-07:002014-03-02T12:58:22.513-07:00Getting FIRED from a JOB for your political belief...Getting FIRED from a JOB for your political beliefs is not like getting banned from someone's stupid Facebook club. Who cares? Stupid comparison. It's a free country, and you can say what you want and block who you want on your blog, just as others can say what they want and block who they want.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3454355557116314654.post-30231391130845807912014-03-02T12:06:39.555-07:002014-03-02T12:06:39.555-07:00This is not the first time I've heard about th...This is not the first time I've heard about the dangers of Stevia and fertility. I read about it years before this book came out. I do remember Serene gave birth very prematurely to one of her babies. Not saying it was Stevia that caused it but it does make you wonder. Stevia is a plant but not all plants are healthy for all people, all of the time. Nothing wrong with questioning it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com