Monday, March 28, 2011

Our politically incorrect children

I was just outside fixing our sprinklers and putting in a few vegetable plants that I will manage to kill by the end of this month (my guess based on past gardening attempts). The children were outside with me, riding their bikes and playing in the sprinklers. Up comes the neighbor boy from two doors down, who just got home from school a few minutes ago. He is about 5 or 6, and we'll call him "J" for this blog post. 

J is a very nice little boy. He often comes over to play when our kids are outside and he gets home from preschool in the early afternoon. On various occasions, I have overheard our kids inviting him to church, giving him invitations to our church, explaining to him about believing on Jesus, etc. They have also explained to him why TV is bad, and a few other similar "controversial" issues.

Today, they were schooling him on public schools. 

Miriam (4): "You should not go to public school. It is bad!"

J: "No, I just started a new school, and it is nice."

Miriam: "They still teach bad stuff there."

J: "But I have to go."

Miriam: "Just stop going there. Just stay home!"

J (in an attempt to change the subject): "I just got shots today!"

Miriam (mortified): "You got shot???"

J: "Yes!"

Miriam: "Where???"

J (pointing to his upper arm): "Right here!"

Miriam: "You got shot in the arm with a real gun??!? That is so bad!"

By this point I was doubled over laughing, and I explained to Miriam that J had gotten vaccines, which is called getting shots, and that it is not done with a real gun. She is probably out there teaching him about the evils of vaccines as I am typing this.

Proverbs 22:6  - Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

52 comments:

  1. That is sooooooooo awesome! :) That's all I have to say! "I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth" 3John4

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  2. Sounds like J likes his school. I'll bet your kids would love it. Most kids don't want to be home with mom all the time. Have you thought of a part-time program for some of them, or sports?

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  3. Hello there!

    I've been following your blog for a month or two now, and It's been interesting to hear your opinions and perspectives on family life.

    I wanted to get some further clarification from you regarding this post, however. At the end of the post, you quote Proverbs 22:6. I may have misunderstood you, but it seems that you are trying to say that your children's responses to your neighbor-child's school and vaccination comments were "right" because you have trained them "in the way they should go" - is this indeed what you had intended to say?

    My husband and I do not have children yet, however we are both privileged to work with are church's youth group. While the majority of our youth group are the kids of faithful members in our church, there are a few "bus kids". Remarkably, there is quite a diversity in educational backgrounds among all the kids: and even mix of home-schooled, private-schooled, and public-schooled children. Let me add, my husband and I were both homeschooled ourselves, so what I'm about to say, I say with respect and without malice.

    I'm concerned that you may be asserting that your kids' response "You should not go to public school. It is bad!" is "right" and "the way he should go". I cannot tell you the countless times certain home-schooled kids in our youth group have targeted and picked on public-schooled kids, telling them they were going to be "stupid", "brainwashed", and weren't going to amount to much because they went to public school. While not true of all home-schooling families, many home-schooling parents teach their kids an elitest, "better-than-you" attitude, whether directly, or oftimes indirectly through their attitudes and actions.
    The heartbreaking fact is the kids targeted are often from single-mother homes where the parent doesn't have the privilege of educating her child at home, and works hard all day so she can spend her evenings with her child. Still, other targeted children are from homes where the parents have made the public-school education decision for other reasons. Regardless of the situation, the children have little or no say-so about their education. Picking on a child because of the school they go to is as ungodly and disgusting as picking on a child because of the color of their skin. It's reprehensible! It's un-Christlike - and unfortunately, it's very common in our churches. All too often, it's the "privileged" kids from home-schooling families who should be setting an example that are making the less fortunate child feel worthless.
    I'm not saying that your children launched a personal attack on this child, not at all! I'm simply sharing with you the scenarios I've seen among teenagers in the Church. I agree that a child's academic and spiritual education is solely the responsibility of the parent, however I also recognize that the Holy Spirit leads different families to make different decisions. The children from families who've made different educational choices should be respected, valued, and cherished. Elitism and a superior, better-than-you attitude starts in our homes.

    Thoughts?

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  4. Ohhhh! That is SO great! Gotta love those children. You are definitely doing something right! :)

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  5. That's about ten million different types of messed up. You don't think it's AT ALL disturbing that your young children are parroting their parent's political views to another child? It sounds kind of like something North Korean children would do, extolling the praises of Kim Jong-il to their friends because their parents do. Creepy.

    I would be very disturbed if one of my young son's little friends was trying to invite him to church or educate him about things that most children do not understand. Maybe talk less of political things when your children can hear? They will learn a distorted view of the world.

    I know you think it is a funny story, but it's very scary to me to think that your children are being indoctrinated like this. I grew up in the Eastern Bloc of Soviet Union, I know child indoctrination when I see it.

    Yikes. Please think about this.

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  7. Haha...Zsuzsanna this was just too funny! Way to go Miriam!

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  8. Rachel, yes, I think that homeschooling is better than public or private school. Does that make the kids who get shipped off to school bad? No, they don't get a choice about it. But yes, they will be corrupted while there to some degree. At home, we just don't teach our children that being gay is normal, that we should worship the police, doctors, military, and other "community helpers", and many other subjects. Funny how you can write a long comment why what you believe is so much better than what I believe, but for my 4-year old to express the same to another child is wrong??

    Legaile, get real - do you actually think kids in public school are NOT indoctrinated? Do you for instance think they teach both that evolution and creation are options, and that students should decide for themselves which is right? That they teach traditional values, and "My two dads", side by side, allowing the students to chose which to believe? You are sadly misled. I myself grew up in communism (Hungary), and what I was taught there was no less brainwashing than what was taught in Western Europe, or what I see taught in schools here. Public schools have an agenda to change our society by corrupting the younger generation.

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  9. "Funny how you can write a long comment why what you believe is so much better than what I believe, but for my 4-year old to express the same to another child is wrong??"

    - Zsuzsanna

    I beg your pardon, Zsuzsanna, but I never asserted that what I believe is so much better than what you believe - quite the contrary! I'm more inclined to agree with you that in most cases, homeschooling is a superior choice for educating children - no arguments there!

    If you'll look closely at my comment, you'll see that I was expressing my concerns over the elitest, better-than-you attitudes that have quickly infiltrated some homeschooling families, and how many children that are subjected to other forms of education are often picked on by home-schooled children. I asserted this bullying has no place in the Church as we seek to model Christ-likeness to our friends, family and community.

    I was asking for your feedback as an experienced homeschooling mother: Do you feel this attitude is one that is fostered in the homeschooling movement? I realize you agree that homeschooling is superior, but do you think it's ok for homes-chooled children to lord their superior education over the less-fortunate?

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  10. I think it is cute that Miriam thought her friend had been "shot in the arm", LOL! I just hope that J's feelings were not hurt when she said his school was bad and he shouldn't be going to it. Our children attend a public school (this is a decision that both my husband and I spent quite a bit of time in prayer about, BTW), and they love their school! I know they would feel upset if another child said that about their school. I do not agree with everything that is taught in the public school system, but we are very open with our children at home about things that we do not agree with. We want them to understand that it is a part of life to disagree with others, and it is not a bad thing to have your own opinion.

    Also, I am a bit confused when you say that children are "taught that being gay is normal" and "that we should worship the police, doctors, military, and other community helpers". My oldest is in second grade and so far during her school career, she has never been taught about people who are gay at all. It is a subject that we have discussed at home with her, and we feel that is our responsibility as her parents. Personally I do not believe that being a homosexual is natural; however, I certainly do not condemn people who choose that lifestyle, nor will I teach my children that. I want them to treat people with respect. Also, my children are not taught to worship people like police officers or firefighters or teachers. We have taught them that everyone has a job to do, and we need to respect the job that they are doing. Police officers are there to help them if they are ever in trouble. And both my children have taken field trips to the local fire station (I was a chaperone on both trips), and we certainly were not there to worship these men. They gave the children a very educational presentation about what to do in case of a fire and how to call for help. The kids also had a great time touring the fire station and spraying the hose. And in our experience, the public school teachers that teach our children are very intelligent, loving people who truly have a desire to see children learn (and not about gay people or evolution). Reading, writing and mathematics are an essential part of our school.

    I realize that my post is very long, and I apologize, but I also wanted to point out that I spent my K through 12 years going to a private Baptist school that was run by our church. I know my parents felt that this was the best school for my sister and I, and I love them very much for making such crucial decisions for us; however, in my adult opinion, I feel that the education I received was sub-par. I am absolutely not blaming the teachers for being dumb or anything of that nature, but I feel that the school did not offer us students the resources we needed for further education. In fact, after high school I applied to go to a state college and I was accepted. However, I had to enroll in a high school geometry course first because I had only taken one math class my entire four years of high school! I just don't see how the school allowed this; it did not follow state standards. And for the record, I am not bitter or upset at my school. The point I am trying to make is that we parents need to trust God to help us make the right decision as to which school to send our children to, and to not criticize, nor teach our children to criticize, other people's decisions.

    One last thing - I am still very jealous that you in AZ have gardening weather. We are still in the 30s here in WI. I WANT SPRING!!

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  11. Zsuzsanna, I think you missed the point of what Rachel said. Rachel was worried that your children are being indoctrinated with a "holier-than-thou" attitude and that your children might treat children who attend public schools unfairly. She wasn't saying that you're wrong to prefer homeschooling over public school, she just wants to make sure that your children aren't developing prejudices against people who havn't been brought up in the exact same way they have been.

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  12. This post makes me sad. Just as I would feel if your children had been ridiculed or were made to feel bad for being homeschooled, non-vacinated, etc. I feel bad for the little neighbor boy who no doubt was made to feel he was doing something wrong by obeying his parents. He's a child.

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  13. Good gracious, have some ladies nothing better to do than to pick on something a sweet four year old girl has said! Seriously?

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  14. Yes, my sentiments on the this subject closely mirror what K's Korner posted: This isn't a debate over the superiority of homeschooling, it's a question of attitude. Why would it ever be cute to make a preschool-aged child feel ashamed for his parent's educational choices? This is the exact opposite of a Christ-Like attitude.

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  15. Honestly, I fail to understand the hysteria regarding this post. Please let me clarify:

    - No, I do not think an elitist thinking is right. The Bible teaches us to be humble:

    Rom 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

    - We are talking about what a FOUR year old said. Hardly an indication of what adults would say or act like. I included the verse because yes, if children are taught that home education is the only biblical choice, they will grow up to believe that.

    - I do believe that home-educated children may be predisposed to be more arrogant/haughty/prideful due to the simple fact that most often they will have superior education, as well as higher moral standards. Such pride is always wrong, and children must be taught NOT to think like that. However, they are children, and still in the process of learning what is right and wrong, and how to act. Otherwise, they would be out living on their own, and not under our care.

    - J was not offended. He loves coming over to play. In fact, there are kids a few doors down the other way from him that he never plays with, neither do our children, because they are mean and bratty.

    - I am sure that this was not the first time someone disagreed with J to his face. Someone pointed out that children should be exposed to different viewpoints, but apparently that does not apply here?

    I am done commenting on this thread.

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  16. All parents, to some extent, want their children to be like them - values, personalities, interests, etc. This story is cute to you because you've been successful, thus far, in imparting some of these crucial ideas/values to your children, and you see them absorbing and repeating them. I love it when my kids do this as well. Some of your commenters think this story is "sad" because the views your children are "parroting" are not their own. I like to read your blog even though I disagree with you about so many things but yet find myself nodding in agreement in other respects. I get to pick and choose what resonates with me. Children are not ready to make those choices when they are very young so, to some extent, we all "train" our children (to borrow the word from Proverbs). But, at some point, I think it's important and healthy to allow children to make decisions for themselves, to understand that not everybody is just like them (and doesn't have to be) and to choose a path that is right for them. You had a chance to do that yourself as a young adult. (So the verse from proverbs would not apply to you, would it?) Your children may surprise you when they get older - hopefully for the good, but maybe not...That's just the way life is.

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  17. While I'd hardly call the multiplicity of comments on your post "hysteria", I do appreciate the time you took to answer your reader's questions and clarify your views. Rest assured, there are people keenly interested enough in what you have to say (though they may not always agree) that they have chosen to follow your blog. As a blogger, you must expect to get feedback of all kinds, particularly when you post on subjects that are "hot-buttons" within the Church today.

    Allow me to clarify so that I do not unknowingly offend: I'm positive that your little Miriam is a sweet girl, and would never seek to bully a little boy she cares enough about to invite to church and to share her Jesus with.

    I disagree however, when you stated "I do believe that home-educated children may be predisposed to be more arrogant/haughty/prideful due to the simple fact that most often they will have superior education, as well as higher moral standards."

    While both of those presuppositions may be true, an "arrogant/haughty/prideful" attitude is a spirit learned from the parent's example, or through the parents neglect. There are home-educated children out there with superior educations and the highest moral standards who have not displayed a bullying, haughty attitude. I'm sure this is true of your own children. Again, these Christ-less attitudes are inherited from the parents, not the education and standards.

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  18. spooky, you are very naive if you think queers aren't pushing their perverted agendas in the public schools. Look up SB 48 in California, I guarantee. that if such a thing passes there it won't be long until it spreads all over the US.

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  19. This reminds me of an incident that happened in the early eighties before I heard of the concept of home education in 1985. I had two sons in the government school in South Florida (our back gate opened to the school property). The school sent home a letter for the parents to sign giving permission for the school to give the children a flouride rinse in a little cup at their desks-and the parents were told to remind the children not to swallow. My children were the only students in the school that weren't going to participate because I wouldn't sign the paper. The day of the rinse our youngest son told his first-grade classmates that it was poison! He was right and maybe next time the students brought home a paper for the parents to sign, the children questioned the parents about it.

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  20. A four-year-old likely doesn't understand what she is saying when she repeats what she hears you and your husband say. My son is three years old, and occasionally will repeat things he heard me or his father say, but he doesn't understand the economy, he just knows that it is "bad" right now.

    You think home education is superior, but you really think you can give your children the instruction that they need, especially in the upper grades? Kids need to learn well, and they learn a lot at home (my son is bilingual and is learning a third language), but will also learn a lot at school. If they do not go to school they at least should go to other activities, to avoid the indoctrination.

    But looking through the rest of your blog and your husband's websites, you two remind me of the enforcers- obey or suffer the consequences, so I don't think I will get through to you.

    Obviously you remembered your childhood indoctrination and decided to repurpose it, though.

    Viso gero.

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  21. Miriam's conversation with "J" reminded me of one that happened in our family this week. I got such a chuckle out of her that I shared our story on my blog.

    I couldn't help but laugh out loud by a previous commenter calling homeschool kids privileged.

    I need to point out that if your intention was to degrade J about decisions that were out of his little hands, you would have been right behind Miriam telling J that those shots kill untold numbers of babies and children every year and on and on. You didn't, you took the conversation for what it was: friendly talk between two kids with different families and beliefs.

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  22. you are done commenting because rachel's points were right and you do not have a rebuttal.

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  23. Her confusion over "shots" was cute.

    Her casting judgement on another child for education choices of which he has no control? Not so much.

    If your intent is to "train up your child in the way he should go" you failed in instilling a sense of humility or respect for others.

    Yes, four year olds often say hurtful things not knowing any better.

    That's why it's YOUR job to correct her.

    Considering the lack of humility and tendency for quick judgement that you so frequently display, I suppose it's not surprising she is modeling your behavior.

    Sad but not surprising.

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  24. "- We are talking about what a FOUR year old said. Hardly an indication of what adults would say or act like. I included the verse because yes, if children are taught that home education is the only biblical choice, they will grow up to believe that. "

    No, they won't, Zsuzsu. When your children are adults, they will not automatically agree with your views. They will develop their own thoughts and feelings, which may be quite different than yours. That is the nature of becoming an adult.

    I know several people who were taught about the biblical superiority of homeschooling, who went on to sent their children to Christian schools. They had disliked homeschooling as a child, because they found it lonely.

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  25. Joan & Rachel, "Applause!!"

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  26. Elizabeth - home-educated children ARE priviliged, and they should certainly be aware of it. In our day, age, and culture, it is a PRIVILIGE to have a parent who has the basic education and financial freedom to stay home with their children and see to their education. How many single mothers in American society would move heaven and earth to stay home from a demanding job and care for their children?

    How many Fathers have been laid-off, and now both mom and dad are having to work to make a mortgage payments - thus sending their children back to school! It is certainly not ludicrous to claim it's a privilege to be home-schooled. It's a blessing that no home-educating family should take lightly!

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  27. There are many books on homeschooling: The Underground History of American Education by John Taylor Gatto-a teacher, any books by Mary Pride, The Harsh Truth about Public Schools by Bruce Shortt, Public Education Against America by Marlin Maddoux,No Regrets by Alexandra Swann(she and her 9 siblings were home educated and earned their high school diplomas by age 11/12 and masters degrees by age 16),etc.

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  28. 1 Corinthians 13:13, "And now these three remain, faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love."

    Unfortunately what you often seem to be lacking in your posts is love.

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  29. It would be interesting to see how you would handle the situation if the roles were reversed. If J told your daughter that she was brainwashed by being taught by her mother and that it was bad to be denied public schooling.
    Would you still allow your children to hang out with J?

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  30. i think you are brainwashing your children and statistically one of them is bound to rebel. You are keeping them too sheltered from the world. If you really cant stand America and what it has become, please move.

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  31. I think Miriam had good intentions (and the vaccine thing was very cute). However, I do think that kids have to learn (be taught) to be careful about respecting others' choices- because that's a hazard of being a kid. Kids do tend to absorb what they learn without question, especially at a young age. I wasn't there of course, but she didn't seem to come across bullying or anything...but it is a fine line. I'm sure that as she grows up she'll grow more nuanced in her views, though, as she is four and let's face it, four-year-olds aren't the best at seeing things from all sides. When I was four I thought my grandmother had been killed by wildebeests instead of old age (thanks, Disney), so really, it's all a matter of growing up. I don't think this is a huge deal, but it could be one day...it's all up to the parents.

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  32. Parents who home school and teach their kids that it is the only Biblical view will not necessarily grow up to home school. My husband as told lots of lies about public school growing up, and now that he works in one he's angry that his parents purposely lied to him just to try to make out that his education was superior (and trust me, it wasn't).

    Our son now goes to public school and his parents don't like it but are getting used to it. They do seem to be upset that it is not their decision to make.

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  33. Thanks for your comment, Anonymous. I am well aware of SB 48-California and its possible implications on public schools. As a responsibile parent, it is my duty to be aware of what is taught and going on in my childrens' school. Like I said, my oldest is only in second grade and so far, we have not encountered any problems. If in the future we do, my husband and I will both pray and look to God for answers (which we do anyway). He gave us brains to use and we use them to the best of our ability to rear our children. Our children attend public school in Wisconsin, which has been at the center of a nasty school union debate recently. So we are well aware there will be changes coming, some that we may not like. When this happens, we will have decisions to make regarding our childrens' education and what steps to take. We thank God for the many schooling opportunities available in this country and our state, and we trust that He will provide us with wisdom that we need.

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  34. I don't have children, but I am a recently grown daughter of a Christian family. My parents had similar views about public school, and although homeschooling me would have been a bad choice for various reasons, I was sent to an elite Christian school. As a young child, I once acted very similar to Mariam towards a public schooled neighbor kid. While I can't remember exactly how old I was, I was between 4-5. Old enough to know better. Was my education superior? Yes. Was what I said truthful? Yes. Were my attitude and actions appropriate and Christ-like? No. And I was punished accordingly. In fact, I was not allowed to play outside for a week. I never did it again.

    As an adult, I thank God my parents took the action they took. In my case, this was one of the first signs that pride and vanity would be things I would have a propensity towards. I am forever thankful that my parents took early action in correcting me instead of letting me develop bad habits. I still struggle with pride so much, and how much harder would it be if my parents hadn't taken the time to cultivate humility in me! I learned that my blessings were not things I should use to raise myself above others, but gifts from God that I should use to better serve others. I was taught that blessings were not things to boast about on the streets, but things to thank God for in the quiet of the night.

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  35. I wish I could have just "stopped going" to public schools :(

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  36. "Honestly, I fail to understand the hysteria regarding this post."

    Zsu, come on now. Admit it. The furor is what you love! It's quite apparent that you crave the attention and delight in the "hysteria."

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  37. Marie- your comment was beautiful and you were indeed fortunate that your parents taught you that lesson at an early age. It is never too early to learn to be kind and thoughtful.

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  38. Marie and Mommy to three,

    you are insane if you are suggesting I punish/discipline a child for speaking the truth. I guess it was people like you who cried "Crucify him!" about Jesus when all he said was true, and people killed him because they could not stand to hear what he had to say.

    You people are so self-righteous, pontificating about the perceived insult to a little boy who is perfectly happy to come play with us every day, and who probably never gave the conversation with a little girl a second thought.

    You are a sad joke, and one more proof why I don't want our kids educated in either God-less public schools, or a Christian school that teaches a Santa-like God.

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  39. You can speak the truth in a rude way ("You are a sad joke") or you can speak the truth as Christ did.

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  40. Zsuzsanna- my comment was not directed to you (I made a point of directing my comment to Marie regarding the lesson that Marie's parents taught her that she found valuable). I would not suggest to you when, how or if you should discipline your child. That decision is up to you and your husband.

    I think you are over reacting to my comment because I was neither self righteous or pontificating.

    I find it surprising that you would call me names ("insane, people like me cried crucify Him, I am a sad joke") when I in no way commented on your daughter and her conversation with her friend.

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  41. Wait a minute, Zsuzsanna - did you seriously just equate your readers calling you out for the unloving, hurtful spirit they perceive you to have with the Jewish people condemning to death our SAVIOUR AND LORD?

    How do the two even compare? I feel as you may have misunderstood many of these comments: again, the issue is not "homeschool vs. public school vs. Christian School." The issue is whether or not a Christlike attitude is shown to both the believers and unbelievers with which we come into contact.

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  42. Wow, did you seriously just compare the suggestion that you should be teaching your daughter basic human kindness to the crucifixion of Jesus? The only insane person I see here is you.

    I actually laughed out loud when you said that people who disagree with you are self-righteous. Perhaps you should look in a mirror if you want to see self-righteous. After all, if you're saying that we're screaming for crucifixion because we can't stand to hear what you say, then you're saying that in this scenario, you're Jesus. It doesn't get any more self-righteous than that.

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  43. First, Miriam is 4. Doesn't have a lot of tact yet. I don't know any four year old that does.

    Second, I believe kids should be taught it is ok to give your opinion on something, and to tell the truth about what they believe. It also would have been fine for the little boy to respond with his beliefs.

    That's like trying to tell me that your kids can tell mine that Santa is real but mine can't say he isn't. Yes, they can. Kids should stand up for their beliefs, it will help them later in life, even if they changer their beliefs later in life.

    I don't see where anybody did anything wrong here.

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  44. It is very sad that you teach your children that school is bad. Things are going to come back and bite you one day.

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  45. Were your comments to Marie and Mommy were made in Christian love?
    Or self-righteous indignation?

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  46. this is off topic but was wondering if you'd read this story http://www.ktnv.com/story/14338042/baby#
    This nurse makes me sick and needs to have her license stripped.

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  47. Although I am not a Christian, I know a TRUE Christian (i.e. one who strives to be "christ-like") when I see one.

    And Marie's thoughtful post demonstrates a true Christian spirit.

    Zsuzanna-

    You need to focus more on Jesus' teachings on humility and compassion.

    To paraphrase Ghandi: I like your Christ but I see little of him in you.

    You missed a good opportunity to "train up your child the way she should go".

    Marie is blessed her parents didn't miss this important instruction opportunity.

    Is responding to Marie's polite and thoughtful post in such a wrathful tone "Christ-like" Zsuzsanna?

    I suggest you take a good look in the mirror, and take some time for serious reflection on Christ's teachings before you accuse anyone else of being insane or a sad joke...

    As for imagining angry crowds chanting for Jesus' death, I have a far easier time imagining you in that crowd than Marie...

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  48. We all crucify Jesus, we are all sinners. all of our sin is what put him on the cross.

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  49. I believe in christian values, no more and no less. Moreover I think this discussion will never see a solution unless you all agree to disagree

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  50. Wow - 49 comments! I will have to come back later to read them all, but wanted to write our version of this same scenario - but in reverse.

    Quite a few years ago we regularly attended a certain secular event at which many of the same families attended. Of course, the children often became friends. One time my then 5 yo son had a Bible story coloring book. His little friend, T., also about 5, saw it and began to tell my son how everything about God and the Bible were only myths. My son came to me very upset, actually quite upset - but not because he thought that T. was right, but because he knew he was wrong and could not imagine anyone not believing in God and he was very scared for T. We talked about it and prayed for T., and his family.

    So, should I be angry because two children had this conversation? Should I be upset with the family - because obviously this is what was taught in T's home? No, we used it to discuss our beliefs and next course of action as a family. And to this day I still pray for them when I think about them. This same son of mine still has a heart for winning others to the Lord after all these years.

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  51. Based on the "Christ-like" spirit of all these anonymous commenters, I am beginning to wonder if cowardice is another Christian character trait.

    Most Christians, even liberal ones, would never defend the God-less public school system with a clear conscience. There are plenty of Christian parents who have taken their children out of public school because of the social teachings they were exposed to there.

    Public school IS bad. They DO teach bad stuff there. If you chose to send your kids there anyway, that is your choice. But don't expect others (under the guise of "tact") to remain silent on the issue just to not rub your conscience the wrong way.

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