Monday, August 10, 2009

Better parent by Sunday?

As I was out running errands today, I saw this billboard:

Intrigued, I pulled the website up on my cell phone. As I had suspected, it was some apostate excuse for a church.

"If you have kids" means that ANYONE with children understands "why some animals eat there [sic] own". Our kids can be really annoying, and I like getting a break from them as much as any other busy mom. But I can definitely say that I have never had the desire to eat them. Which technically would involve killing them first. These people sound like sick freaks. Sick freaks who are not very good at basic spelling. It is amazing how few people know the difference between their, there, and they're.

Why would anyone want to learn about parenting from sickos who hate their own children? This is the pastor who started "Cornerstone Chandler", he looks like a real fairy himself. Or a predator. Or both.

Looking at the above picture, I am guessing that the boy is about six and the girl about three years old. If "disrespectful behavior and/or defiant attitudes" and "power struggles" at such a young age have reached a level where they are sending both parents and children "over the edge", they must have a whole bunch of lousy parents and bratty kids in this "church". On a side note: 16 weeks is a far cry from "by Sunday", especially since the course doesn't even start until Sunday. Maybe they mean that once you start the series, your parenting will become worse and worse, and you will only be a good parent up until then? Who knows.

I am almost certain that none of the following verses will be used at any time during this "Bible study":

Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Pro 22:15 Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Pro 23:13,14 Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell.

Pro 29:15 The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame.

Just had to get that off my chest.


  1. Zsuzsanna,

    I wish you wouldn't spew hate about things you obviously know nothing about. I have PERSONALLY SEEN the curriculum and YES there is a week that revolves around discipline.... which DOES encourage "not sparing the rod."

    And Linn Winters is a godly man. But thank you for your hateful words about a man you know nothing about other than looking at his picture. Would you want people to make judgements based on you and your husband's pictures? Because I'm sure some assumptions could be made that would be less than flattering.

    I'm not promoting the church or the message. As I said, I attend elsewhere. However, I do wish you wouldn't spread hateful rumors and gossip. The arrogance you present in this post is incredible.

    Just had to get that off my chest.


  2. I understand your frustration. We have several mega-"churches" in the OKC area and it just makes me sick to drive by and see the huge banners out front that say "DIVORCE RECOVERY CLASSES". Never have I seen them offer a divorce prevention class.

  3. about a worldly church. It is obvious who raises the children in that looks like a billboard advertisement for an amusement park!

    This is just the reason why we disagree with nurseries, sunday schools, youth groups, etc. Are your children getting TRAINED or ENTERTAINED??? Colossians 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."

    Thank you for your wisdom and honesty in this post. Some may not agree with it, but I would rather have someone tell it like it is then sugar coat the issue. What a powerful testimony...keep it up!!!

  4. As the busy mom of four children I can agree that I have NEVER had the desire to eat my own children. I "get" the message that the billboard is trying to say, but the wording could be much less crass.

  5. I honestly do understand the point they are trying to get across, but that first phrase is crass as another comment said.

    I think what is really needed is some to the point sermons using the verses you suggested. Many Christian parents "miss the boat" when it comes to rasing children because verses like these are not preached from anymore .It also wouldn't hurt if the children heard it instead of being put in children's church.

    I can totally understand why so many people don't go to church anymore if this is what passes for church in 2009.

  6. i agree. the wording is horible. i've certainly had my fair share of struggles with motherhood and children, but, those words are so ungodly and wordly. i had a friend give me a little plackard(sp?) that said, "raising teenagers is like nailing jello to a tree." for some reason it bugged me so much i threw it away. i guess because as hard as raising children can be at times, i love what i do, and i don't just want to servive motherhood....i want to thrive in it.

  7. Mrs. Anderson,

    I have forwarded your hateful and presumptive statements to the church in question. It's not my church, but I've grown weary or the constant criticism hurled at people who would believe anything that doesn't fall into line with some of your perverted beliefs. This is exactly the reason your church is still in a store-front. Small assemblies are the cornerstone of the early church and are a valid way to worship today. However, I've seen numerous videos on what happens there and it doesn't even resemble a house of faith. Your husband (I can't call him a Pastor)can't even show a little respect for Martin Luther because he doesn't know anything about him other than the 95 thesis which was written by Luther in his early change against the Catholic church. We should all be grateful to him for our belief in Sola Scripture.

    I'm amazed that such sentiments are relayed by a person who claims to be a Christian. Like your husband, the fruit of the spirit seems to be missing in you. You know those things that Galations 5:22 and 1st Corinthians 13speaks of.

    My suspicion regarding the treatment of your children is reaffirmed. I also know why you want all Child Protective Services should be abolished.

    It's certainly okay to disagree. but to suggest that the man is a homosexuaal is so far over-the-top as to be disgraceful.

    I'm sure my statements are perfectly fine with you since you advocate judging others.

    Your disdain even gives you the opportunity to provide a grammar and punctuation lesson. Is there nothing you won't criticize.

    I know you'll delete this comment. That's okay with me. But this church will know exactly what you have said and you won't be able to 'delete' that.

    It is my sincere wish that God would soften your heart.

  8. Bleh. Just silly garbage wanting to take your money. I live very close to two mega-churches, and in the same city as Lakewood Church.

    Why can't we get back to following the words of our lord instead of seeing who can get the most people to attend our churches?

    God Bless,

  9. I think you are right on, as usual, my friend.
    The bible sure does give us a great guide to raising our children.

    I grow weary hearing about the "emerging" church and the mail order sermons from a box.

    I will continue to pray for you so you will not weary in well doing!

  10. I think this is the same "church" that gave sex classes last year. Everything you need to know about parenting, sex and marriage is in the Word of God and the only thing anyone needs to learn about these things is to read it.

  11. I notice that, as usual, "anonymous" is such a coward that they can't even leave their name. I have a feeling that the probably didn't forward any comments anywhere but somehow it makes them feel brave to make idle threats.

    Get some guts, anonymous posters, and tell us your names. But then again, that would require accountability yourself and although you want that in others, you don't want yourself to be held accountable.

    Lol Mrs Zsuzsanna does well in not feeding the trolls.

  12. Dear anonymous coward:

    At the risk of feeding the trolls, I'll write some more.

    It is makes me laugh that you say that you are sick of the criticism of anything that doesn't line up with what Mrs Zsuzsanna believes, yet you criticize HER church and HER beliefs. Can't you see the hilarity and hypocrisy of the situation?

  13. Scripture is certainly true that man looks on the outward appearance but God looks on man's heart. How can one judge what a man's heart is by looking at one portrait of a man? Is that a right judgment based on Scripture? I do not think so.

  14. I have a basic, practical question about "sparing the rod and spoiling the child." I have always believed in corporal punishment, spanking, whatever you want to call it. I was raised in a Christian home and was spanked and suffer no ill-effects. I now have a 14 month old son and am 4.5 months pregnant with a daughter and I don't want to spank or hit them. I have "popped" my son and he cries sometimes, but his behavior does not change. I also feel like a hypocritical fool for popping him while admonishing him not to hit. SMACK, don't hit! It's oxymoronic. Can you give practical indications for if/when/how "the rod" should be used as a disciplinary tool? A blog post about that would be most helpful.

  15. I would just like to suggest anyone that reads this post and this comment to visit and view serious about parenting for them self...
    Visit and maybe for seeing yourself - you'll get little bit better understanding what Cornerstone is all about.

    Some of the values I bring to my own home from this church are:
    1. Only speak the words that HELP and not that HURT
    2. Respect others and people around me
    3. Choose God over the approval of friends
    4. Serve others
    5. Do the best you can, and give your 100% in whatever you do.

    And so much more...


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